IQ is Real, and it Matters [Part II]

By Daniel Miessler on October 22nd, 2008: Tagged as Intelligence | Society
  • Steve

    I think it would be interesting to show the map of average IQ by state that you posted a while back and then show the map of historical preference to political party by state side by side or as an overlay...

  • To quickly address point 1:


    "I.Q. is real, and I.Q. tests are good at testing it."


    Granted, but I'd amend it to read "... and GOOD I.Q. tests are good at testing it."


    I cannot stress the exploitative aspect of "feel good" tests, such as one can find as the advertising test offerred by MENSA over the past 30 years, amongst others commonly found on the internet, that are extremely adepth at not gauging one's intelligence so much as assessing how much you would like to pay for the recognition of being called a person of high IQ.


    Secondly:


    "I think far more emphasis should be placed on studying intelligence in order to engineer methods of increasing it. I think increasing intelligence, more than any other measurable human attribute, will help improve the quality of decisions made throughout the world, and that this should be a major focus of modern educational systems."


    If people can't overcome their limitations and inabilities, including prejudices or inclinations towards the fantastic, such as innate needs for religion, or other distractions. These are facets of humanity that are inseperable to the whole, and are the obstructions to how constructive our civilization can ultimately be.


    Ideally, it would be great to bypass the dirty work of redesigning the basic human format to exclude such limitations by only increasing intelligence, as highly intelligent perspectives would hopefully overcome them outright.


    However, we have the same example in the creation of the atom bomb that existed in the relation of Cain to his brother Able, despite the span of thousands of years of intellectual evolution and recorded experience. We will fight, as is human, and more smartly when allowed. We will steal more cunningly when allowed. The themes of the basic sins has not ever restricted someone from committing them, just allowed them to do so with greater intellect when possible, because these are human themes, to one extent or another, and these pitfalls are present in everyone, smart and dumb or inbetween.


    -=T=-

  • CarlM

    Daniel, you know who the core experts in this field were in 1994? I see no assertion on the page you linked to that this list represents the core set of experts in the field. It doesn't even assert that they are all experts in intelligence or intelligence testing. (What exactly do they consider a related field? Do we know?) I certainly can't pretend to know the core experts in that field in 1994, but there are certainly more experts in the study of intelligence (and intelligence testing) than those few names that appear on that list. For example (and at the risk of giving them undue publicity) take a look at: http://www.petitionproject.org/
    There have been AT LEAST two mass mailings to university professors across the US and Canada (one more than 10 years ago and one last year -- I got the mailing last year) of the article that is referred to on this site. Science and math professors at the school I was at laughed this off (there was a request to sign the petition). They have gotten an impressive NUMBER of people to sign on, but a MUCH larger number chose NOT to sign on. And MANY of the people (perhaps most) (perhaps nearly all .. we don't know) who DID sign on are NOT experts on global warming. Their signing the petition means NOTHING about which side is more correct on the issue. It is also possible that people who signed on in the first mailing (over 10 years ago) have changed their mind since they signed on. In any case, SCIENCE doesn't work by collecting names.


    The same things can be said about the list of names at the end of the article to which you linked. It's 14 years old and has a small number of supporters. My recollection from those years is that "The Bell Curve" was pretty widely dismissed by experts, but like you, I'd be delighted to see more recent information.

  • Carl, it wasn't the NUMBER of experts; it was the fact that they represented the core set of experts in the field.

  • With all this talk of financial and health disclosure in the elections, I wish there was a push for intelligence disclosure.
    There was a document circling around the Internet that is suppose to have all sorts of information on Palin, including her IQ, which showed to be something like 85. I seriously distrust that document, but it got my wondering what the real IQ is of each presidential candidate and their candidate. I think it matters a lot when it comes to choosing the leader of the most powerful nation on this planet.

  • CarlM

    Well, first of all, the article you cite came out more or less immediately after the book (the same year - 1994). A rather important response to "The Bell Curve" came out in 1995. It's called "The Bell Curve Debate." But this too is (I'm sure) rather dated by now.


    Second, the list of people that you find astounding is actually extremely short. You can get a list of scientists THAT long who don't believe in evolution. This doesn't make them right. (In any case, scientific truth isn't measured by the number of people on one side or the other of an issue.)


    IQ tests are supposed by some to measure INNATE intelligence. That you can study for an IQ test (and improve your score) seems to me to indicate rather strongly that it measures something else. Given that it doesn't measure innate intelligence, it strikes me as absurd to talk about racial averages (at least in the context in which such averages are typically used).


    Cultures that place a higher value on education have higher IQ's. Given that study increases IQ scores, this doesn't seem at all surprising to me .. and CERTAINLY doesn't imply causation in the direction HIGH IQ -> VALUES EDUCATION. There are school principals and teachers who used "The Bell Curve" to justify their lower expectations for minorities. Of course I know that you'll not support that use of this information, but it's been used that way by some (perhaps no longer ... we can only hope).

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