The Jesus Quote You’ll Never Hear in Church

You're wacked out...sorry to say...you find ONE passage where Jesus is speaking and he is saying what the ruler says to the wicked servant and you attribute evil to the heart of Jesus...that's why he put the scripture in their about "wresting the scriptures". read that sometime because you can "quote" him on that!

Daniel,
Regarding Luke 19:27. I don't believe you are crazy or stupid. I enjoy a good argument, but it must be a real argument, one for grownups and not fairytales for children. I enjoy your thought process, however its clear your agenda may not be deeper understanding of a complex God but rather proving your reasons for not obeying Him. Psalm 14:1 “The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God "They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.” Ouch, God rarely pulls punches.

So, Daniel, why do you read the Bible at all? Is your point its dangerous, irrelevant, useless and must be exposed? Ok, I can accept that position. Or are you intentionally creating a straw-man argument, insisting verses means one thing then setting out to destroy those false ideas to promote a personal agenda. Hmm that sounds a bit more dark.

Do you understand Hermeneutics? Do you have a basic understanding of Jewish teaching and historic monarchy where a king literally held the power over life and death? A reader must understand a story’s cultural significance to its original hearers within the context of the writing and understanding of the time or interpretation is irrelevant and infantile. I don’t rewrite history and literature to make myself feel better…..do you? That would be arrogant, would it not?

You repeatedly take scripture out of context. Do you lack understanding of historical or cultural significance? What’s the significance of Jesus tying this parable directly to His interaction with Zacchaeus? What was happening right before the event in Luke 19:27? Bother to read that? Luke 19:11 starts “….because he (Jesus) was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once." And Jesus then goes on to admonish the Jews with the king’s harsh wrath for his enemies. Every bit of the lead-in has significance....do you know what that is?

The passage clearly demonstrates even the Jews were as guilty of petulantly insisting God bring salvation in a way they thought acceptable…Just as you and rest of us are (Gods says drunkenness, selfishness, lying, homosexuality and promiscuity are wrong….well, I disagree, so I will discredit the Bible or reinterpret His word to mean what I want it to mean). Rather then just admitting we're choosing a lifestyle in opposition to the living God and therefore choosing to separate ourselves from Him (i.e. choosing Hell). Because...well... if there is a God and He is the God of the Bible and we choose to disobey and walk away from Him, then crap! we are in deep trouble aren't we.

We all seek to usurp God’s authority and sovereign guidance in our lives….that is why He demands complete and total capitulation from us…We are at war with God in our hearts and the only way to gain entrance to His presence is for us to lay down our arms. God is already aware of our corrupt and abominable deeds, even those done in secret. Yet He strangely insists we acknowledge them before approaching His throne. Hmmm, why would He do that....that meanie!

Consider this as a point: As Jews, (beloved nation of God’s chosen people, set apart for the purpose of bringing about the salvation of the world through a Messiah sent by God), even they, could be considered enemies of God when they refused to accept Him/Jesus as their rightful king.

Basically the passage is God saying, "I don't care how right you think you are. When you insist on your will above mine...you're heading for trouble".

Thanks for the comment. Coents from belivers are much less articulate
and much more rude.

My goal is to show that the bible is totalitarian and negative rather
than what it's taught as. Nothing more than the truth. No need for spin.

Your own summary of the piece captured it nicely.

Daniel,
What do you gain if the Bible or Christianity be proved false?

Interesting, you presumed I am not a Christian simply because I was articulate and respectful of you. This doesn’t offend me. Does it demonstrate you may have some very deep prejudices affecting your core belief system? Did you carefully read my reply to your article? Do you accept that perhaps you could be wrong?
I appreciate your appreciation of my reply, but I wonder if there is really any room for discussion. (?)

So, shame on you Daniel for your assumption? Shame on you for what appears to be an unwillingness to seek to gain real understanding of the scripture you malign? Hmmm we shall see.

Actually, I am a believer and follower of the living God. I absolutely believe Jesus Christ is fully God and was both fully God and man while he walked this earth. I believe God is both righteous judge and loving father. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and it may be trusted as stated in 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness”. Does that surprise you?

That being said…..yes, I have found people are generally ignorant their own foundational beliefs and also of language and history. Unfortunately, people tend to do exactly what you do, which is to misquote scripture for their own purposes. Perhaps their intentions are in earnest but the result is always the same, a twisting of truth. I don’t think that is isolated to Christians.

The reality is becoming a Christian does not magically remove all flaw-this isn’t CandyLand. Rather Paul describes Christianity as a marathon race, we continually move toward the goal of following our master to become more like Him. In CS Lewis’ book Mere Christianity, Ch 32 “Nice people or New men” he presents an answer to his own question, “If Christianity is true why are not all Christians obviously nicer than all non-Christians?” his conclusion is complex but well worth reading. I won’t spoil the ending for you. Just remember, the British have been stereotyped in the past for having bad teeth.

Sadly, some people do resort to anger and name-calling instead of properly defending their beliefs. Some, perceiving their ideals under unjust attack, may choose to punch (figuratively) their attacker in the nose for his opinion. Consider their opponent so absurd, reckless, socially or intellectually inferior as to be beneath them and simply talk about them. Respond to what is perceived of as an outrageous effort to gain attention and offer a contemptuous or demeaning blow to curb the tongue (i.e. whack a dog on the nose to stop his barking). Or perhaps, disdainful, offer no reply at all … complete disregard. “Bad press is better than none”, is the saying. Say….at least you know you’re being read. 

Do you disagree with the way God handled situations in this book or what God considers sin?

In terms of exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; God offers us the ultimate free will. The bible clearly states that not only are we set free, but we are never to lord-it over others.

You say your aim is to prove the Bible is totalitarian and negative and that requires no spin. I can accept you believe that, however, I clearly disagree. The Bible is full of the harsh realities of life, no sugarplums and gumdrops there….God clearly defines the consequences of our choices but in no way insists that we obey Him-He didn’t even insist that the angels choose Him. He offers two choices…choose Him and you get to be with Him for all eternity –Heaven. Don’t choose him and you get to be away from Him for all eternity- Hell. Is it that you want a third choice….i.e. Do what you want the way you want it, then reap the rewards of those who did obey…..That’s a bit narcissistic.

I guess I wonder:
1. Are your words designed to justify your own lifestyle?
2. Did someone use this book to injure you?
3. Why is it so important to you that others reject this book?
And finally,
4. If your arguments are not based upon fact, (meaning, you are misinterpreting scripture based upon wrong belief on your part), are you willing to reexamine this book?

Which Church have you attended? I heard (and read) these quotes many times.
What is your point? My LORD is not a broken king. He will trample His enemy under His heel