Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?
By Daniel Miessler on January 30th, 2008: Tagged as Politics | Ron Paul
Ron Paul just took 3% in Florida, and most states have been going similarly. I’m thinking what everyone else is thinking, but now I’m thinking it out loud.
When do we call gg and switch our energies to keeping Romney or McCain out of office? In other words, when do we give up and start supporting Obama?
Perhaps there are those among you that don’t like Obama, but here’s something to consider: you should vote for him for the same reason you’ll vote for Paul even though he doesn’t believe in evolution. He’s an honest man with common sense.
It’s sad, but that’s pretty much where the bar is at this point. McCain is all about the war in Iraq and wherever else he deems necessary. He mentioned future wars (plural). He’s seriously not much of an improvement over Bush — if any. Romney may be better, but who knows.
Anyway, consider this: Obama / Edwards. Graded on a curve that would be pretty stout. Then if we could just get Paul in as some sort of economic advisor we’ll have a decent shot of not dissolving as a union in the next 10 years.
So when is the right time to say that Paul has no realistic chance and start backing Obama instead? One one extreme we have the danger of abandoning the cause too early, and on the other we have the danger of hurting Obama’s chances by waiting too long.
Thoughts?
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First time I’ve seen this addressed. You may very well raise an eyebrow by asking the question. I’m unsure of when or if that time will come for you. Here’s my hope. If the decision has to be made. I hope that the legions of people Paul brought into the fold aren’t too disillusioned to remain active.
Comment by verge — 1/30/2008 @ 7:00 am
I think Ron Paul supporters need to face reality. Just about every one of his suggested policies would mean an end to the American way of life as we know it. Voters realize this. Just because he’s the first dedicated libertarian candidate to come along does not mean that libertarian ideas would actually work, let alone that people would support them. Ron Paul supporters have been living in a comfortable internet bubble, where they only hear the voices of people who agree with them. This 3% is a wake up call, and a sign of what’s to come.
Stop pretending that rich or middle income white ideas will somehow save America.
Comment by Nope — 1/30/2008 @ 7:11 am
That’s a bold question. Can Ron Paul supporters make the leap? I sincerely hope so. One of the major reasons I support Obama is because of his open government/technology platforms(64k pdf, lessig.org) as endorsed by Lawrence Lessig (lessig.org). While Ron Paul’s convictions and philosophy are unmatched in the current field, I believe Obama stands alone as the next best choice for Paul supporters concerned about matters of privacy, government transparency, and issues such as net neutrality.
Comment by Ernest Lombardi — 1/30/2008 @ 7:36 am
Point well taken, but why would you jump a ship that isn’t sinking? Giuliani is gone as of tomorrow, which remains the “top” three. Both McCain and Huckabee have troubled campaigns, if anything now is the time we need to back Ron Paul more!
I plan on not jumping ship until the captain says to jump. Currently, I don’t see any reason to not vote for Ron Paul.
Comment by Jason — 1/30/2008 @ 7:54 am
I have to wait until May to vote for Dr. Paul. And I will, because I want to be able to tell myself that when I was given a chance–some small meaningless chance–I made the right decision. And if Dr. Paul doesn’t get the nomination, then I, for one, will be voting for whomever the Republicants nominate as that will be the president Americans will have deserved. As we all know: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”
Comment by Jared — 1/30/2008 @ 8:00 am
In other words, when do we give up and start supporting Obama?
Never.
Comment by Rory — 1/30/2008 @ 8:07 am
I’ve considered the same myself. I would like to wait until the general election if at all possible. If I have the choice between two left leaning candidates (McCain v. Obama), I’ll pick the one who correctly identifies and openly associates with the core values of their party. The GOP has gone very far astray of their core principles and I am deeply saddened by the slow takeover of the party by the neo-conservative followers of Leo Strauss since the Ford administration. I heard another funny thing while listening to Michael Savage who said in a negative context that JFK would be considered a Republican based on who left leaning the party is at this point. If this is the case, we may as well elect the spade that calls itself a spade.
Comment by rwb — 1/30/2008 @ 8:24 am
Ron Paul and Barak Obama are about as far apart on the issues as is possible in this campaign, or in any other. He is personal and charismatic, but is still a sell out to those who work to destroy the constitution.
Kucinich is where most honest Paul supporters would be better served to move their votes, if they were to vote democrate.
The real question for this election would be better worded this way:
If she asked him, do you think McCain would run as VP on Hillary’s ticket?
There is no actual functional difference between either the republicrates or the democrans, and hasn’t been since the 1970’s
Comment by Marcus — 1/30/2008 @ 8:45 am
I must be one of many who respect both candidates for their apparent candor and what appears to be a sincere concern for America. Obama can win, Paul cannot, but I believe Obama would be willing to incorporate enough Constitutional principals into his agenda that it would be a legitimate first step.
Consider: Obama, in capacities too numerous to count, would be a transformational candidate. This would lend credence to future “upset” figures in our national dialogue…and as the man says: The arc of history is long, but it always bends toward justice.
A vote for Obama, I think, would bring us closer to taking seriously those who would lead us but are, for many, too “ahead of their time” to win a general election.
Comment by klown — 1/30/2008 @ 8:46 am
So you are asking, when do we give up what we believe in and hedge our bets? I’m sorry, but I’d rather stick to my principles than pick the lesser of two evils. I honestly have to say, I didn’t know that ideals were supposed to be negotiable.
If Paul loses, I’ll vote for either the libertarian or constitution party candidate.
Comment by Risika — 1/30/2008 @ 9:14 am
Ron Paul is the only candidate who actually believes in limited government. Following an era of what could be argued to by tyranny, we need somebody who is devoted to decreasing the excessive size of government in the United States. When the time comes for Ron Paul supporters to switch to voting to the lesser of two evils, consider this: The 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that gives us the ability to resist a tyrannical government, should the time of necessity come. Vote for your children’s children, not just for your own personal financial gain (cough socialized healthcare cough).
Comment by Jason R. Rokeach — 1/30/2008 @ 9:26 am
First of all we should never give up on candidate that we believe in. Why would you even consider supporting Ron Paul in the first place if you believe deep down that his ideas would actually harm the country if implemented? You make no sense.
Actually Ron Pauls ideas are about the only thing that can save this country. His stance on economic issues is what really grabbed my attention and made me want to support him. He is the only candidate that has a deep understanding of the economy.
Also his strict anti war and non-interventionism stance was another main reason why i like him. He is the common sense candidate and he is one of the few remaining politicians who is honest. If you look at clips of him from 20 yrs ago you notice that he says the same things now. He doesnt change his message and he sticks by his principles.
Do you really think that Obama is any better than Clinton, McCain or an other candidate besides Paul? If you do then you really dont understand the political system in this country.
Whether you think you are a democrat or a republican you are really supporting one side of the same coin. They are exactly the same political party on the inside with a few changes in the trim. The only reason Paul ran as a Republican is the fact that it gives him a better chance a bringing in support from the average voter who sticks within the traditional paradigm. But Ron Paul first ran as a libertarian for president in 1988. So its not like he is a traditional party man in the modern sense.
Obama has changed his position on the war so many times its hard to count. None of the democrats except for Kucinich were against the war completely. Time and time again i hear Obama or Clinton go on about bringing our troops home in some sort of extended time frame yet never really taking off the table the issue of going to war with Iran. I just hear that they not take anything off the table and that includes continuing the war and maybe even starting some, who knows. The democrats are just good at being covertly pro war.
What did all the democrats, whom many ran on anti-war campaigns, were elected into the House and Senate do when it came time to stop the war? Nothing. All they did was allow continued funding while trying there weakest to enforce some sort of time table.
Who voted against the war? Ron Paul. Amazing.
The reason he stands out so much for me is because his views are so radically different from the rest of the candidates. He is a true conservative in the constitutional sense. He is the only candidate that will at least get the ball rolling in a positive direction for this country. There is no way that having Paul in the presidency is going to solve all our problems. But its a good start.
I will be voting for him in my states Primary. No matter what happens.
Ron Paul 08
Comment by Chris — 1/30/2008 @ 9:37 am
Nonsense. I don’t plan to switch unless Ron Paul asks us to do so.
Comment by Robert K — 1/30/2008 @ 9:38 am
WAY too early to even be talking about this. Rudy just dropped and Super Tuesday could be very interesting so let’s just keep surprising the world little by little.
Comment by Robert L. — 1/30/2008 @ 11:21 am
Has anyone considered Mike Gravel? I fall more in line with his views than with Paul’s, though neither seem to have much of a shot. If and when I jump ship to a winning team, it most likely will be Obama, but there’s always the option of voting your conscience as a matter of principle.
Comment by Jon B — 1/30/2008 @ 11:22 am
If I vote for the candidate I feel represents my views on governance, regardless of whether or not he or she has been endorsed by the major parties or the media, then I’m performing my responsibility as a citizen. I can’t deplore the present state of elections and then go ahead and choose the lesser of two evils.
I figure, if enough people start voting for the candidates they prefer, we’ll start getting real elections.
To be honest, I’ve never thought Ron Paul could win. But he’s the only one I can support.
Comment by Chris J — 1/30/2008 @ 11:23 am
Ron Paul is going to take Maine.
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This question points to what many of us suspected all along, a lot (but not all) of the Ron Paul support was Democrats trying to pick the Republican candidate. These folks didn’t really care about who the Democrat nominee would be since they are all the same, only their faces are different so you can tell them apart.
Comment by Jack — 1/30/2008 @ 11:53 am
Obama is ultimately left wing on economics, so I’m afraid I cannot do that. Left wing economics is just ignorant. all heart, no brain.
Comment by Edward — 1/30/2008 @ 12:11 pm
The chance for Paul relies on the three other Republican contenders being similar. Then Republicans do not see much difference in having the lesser of three evils, and vote sincerely for the best candidate, Paul. In a pluralistic voting system, that is how an underdog becomes a “front-runner”.
Comment by Svet — 1/30/2008 @ 12:32 pm
The greater truth, Daniel, of who becomes president, is that our “democratic” process does not work. I lived in Brazil once where Cardoso promised the brazilians he would end inflation and fix the nation - he has a PhD from Sorbonne U. in France…but shortly after winning the elections, he joined the “brazilian political machine”. So, you see, “who” wins this election is heresay, when we as Americans need to fix major infrastructure issues - so that the poor and middle classes are heard as well as the rich. I have enjoyed listening to Ron Paul alot, indeed, a great man. However, one man cannot fix America. The machine is too great (the machine of special interests). My hope is in changing and evolving technologies and also spiritual awareness…so as new generations emerge, they will have less tolerance for political favoritism…this will alleviate all pressures put on one man or woman to fix the nation. I would first like to see America scrap the electoral college…and then take continuing steps toward TRUE democracy, where we all have an equal voice, one that is not tempered by personal wealth or connections. Regards, Keith
Comment by Keith — 1/30/2008 @ 12:47 pm
I think the answer to that is simple.
When Ron Paul endorses Obama. I, personally, would love to see Obama as Mr. President and Ron Paul as his Vice. Paul, as a libertarian, isn’t even really a republican. I think this could be done.
Comment by Jenna — 1/30/2008 @ 12:50 pm
I will be writing in Ron Paul’s name if I need to in Novemeber. Obama said he would launch a pre-amptive atttack against Pakastan if the there was credible intelligence. This is exactly the kind of thinking that lead to the Iraq war. Obama is also a member of the CFR. He voted for the Patriot Act. He voted to fund the war. And THIS GUY is the next best thing to Ron Paul? What happenned to standing up for what you believe in? If you believe Ron Paul is best then for crissake vote for Ron Paul. After that, whether you vote Democrat or Republican won’t make a difference. Remember when the Democrats one the majority in 2006? wasn’t the main issue Iraq? what was the fitst thing that happened in 2007? THE SURGE! Wake up! The democrats are as much for this war and a permanent presence in Iraq as the Republicans, I can only respect the Republicans that much more for at least not lying about their intentions.
Comment by Robert — 1/30/2008 @ 1:11 pm
I started out interested in Ron Paul, but it turns out that the only thing I agree with him on is the war. I am staunchly anti-war, but I am a bright, and Paul is a theocrat. The only reason he is for state’s rights is because he is anti abortion, homophobic, and racist, and it’s easier to pass Crow laws and anti-abortion laws at the state level. He has supported removing the first amendment of the constitution. He is not a libertarian. Obama, while not as strong on the war, is better in most other ways.
“Paul sponsored a resolution for a School Prayer Amendment:
H.J.RES.52 (2001), H.J.RES.66 (1999), S.J.RES. 1, H.J.RES.12, H. J. RES. 108, & H. J. RES. 55:
H. J. RES. 78 (1997):
Comment by Edwin — 1/30/2008 @ 1:13 pm
Marcus @ #8 “Ron Paul and Barak Obama are about as far apart on the issues as is possible in this campaign, or in any other.” - FALSE
Dennis Kucinich and Rudy Guliani are the farthest apart on the political spectrum. Barack Obama and Ron Paul agree on many things, like ending the Iraq war asap, campaign finance reform, earmark reform, stopping the influence of lobbyists, balanced budget, plus they are both christian and honest men, and both want to end the politics of the last 28 years.
Chris @ #12 “Obama has changed his position on the war so many times its hard to count. None of the democrats except for Kucinich were against the war completely.” - FALSE
Obama was against the war since before the Iraq invasion, when he spoke out at an anti-war rally. He is calling for all combat troops to come home from Iraq starting the minute he becomes president.
Edward @20 “Obama is ultimately left wing on economics, so I’m afraid I cannot do that. Left wing economics is just ignorant. all heart, no brain.” - FALSE
Reagan spent tons on a military buildup, and put into a huge deficit. Bush Sr. raised taxes to fix the Reagan mess. Bill Clinton then BALANCED THE BUDGET. But Bush Jr. is a fucking idiot like Reagan and ran up our national debt to an all time high, because his gut told him war was a good idea.
There are a lot of misinformed young republicans in here, you guys need to stop drinking the kool-aid and think about 8 more years of disastrous Bush policies. McCain or Romney will be the nominee, as much as a left winger like me respects Ron Paul, he will not win. If you are looking to change course in 2008, Obama offers the biggest change from the current status quo. Yes he is more liberal than Hillary, and yes he is half-African, and yes he was raised in Hawaii and Indonesia. But he is also HONEST, SMART, and wants to help all americans (even you ring wing nuts) have security, jobs, healthcare, and all your constitutional rights restored. Wake up, if you want something new…. There is no other viable option.
Comment by Fact Checker — 1/30/2008 @ 1:15 pm
The Ron Paul ship sank at the dock.
Comment by Joe — 1/30/2008 @ 1:17 pm
It’s pussies like you that are the reason this country is in the shape it’s in. Instead of folding, why don’t you elevate your level of support and actually do something to make a difference? The only reason “he doesn’t have a chance” is because you keep saying it. Grow some and stand up for what you believe in.
Comment by Jeremy — 1/30/2008 @ 1:17 pm
There is a difference in supporting a candidacy and supporting a philosophy, an ideal and a political platform. I am in this to support RP because of what he represents — Constitutional government that protects the rights and freedoms of the people. If Obama represents the same ideals that motivated you to support RP, then go for it.
Personally, I don’t see it. I applaud Mr. Obama for standing up for the people whenever he has done so. But I don’t see that he has understood what our problems are and how to solve them. Is he a good second choice? Maybe. But I feel its way too early to stop now. As long as we have the money we can spend for signs, literature, etc. then this campaign gives us all a golden opportunity to come together in support of true Constitutional government.
Comment by Jim Tucker — 1/30/2008 @ 1:49 pm
Sorry, no can do. After having the opportunity to vote for an honest man, I will never again vote for a liar. So that eliminates 99.99% of all candidates. When you vote for the “lesser of 2 evils” YOU ARE VOTING FOR EVIL.
Comment by Art Baker — 1/30/2008 @ 1:50 pm
The “vote for the lesser of two evils” was the reason I voted to put Bush in office. Joke’s on me, eh?
It’s not enough to promote the “better”.
Ron Paul is a man who is willing to stand up and take point; he’s leading the charge to take our country back from the rogue elements that have usurped Constitutional authority.
When the United States Federal Government starts operating outside of it’s Constitutional mandate, it is a rogue government, operating not with the consent of the people and rightful authority, but by force of arms and the threat of force.
No one is more surely constrained than those who do not know they are imprisoned. Do not make the mistake of thinking that Barak Obama is for a government that operates within Constitutional authority - he will continue to push “big government” and an entitlement mentality on the American public.
Ron Paul will do the right thing though the world stands against him. He will do it in the face of being called a quack and derided by the popular media.
Make no mistake - Ron Paul is not a “Republican” as we know them today. He is the locus of a groundswell revolution here in America. The time is coming when this country could crumble under the weight of it’s own imperialism and hubris. This is the direction we are moving in.
You may realise this. But at the end of the day, will you be the one to say “I put this man in office? This liar who is simply rushing in more of the same?”.
Comment by Adam Skinner — 1/30/2008 @ 2:04 pm
Nope said: “Stop pretending that rich or middle income white ideas will somehow save America.”
Stop pretending that a person of color has to be the one to change things.
Comment by Joe — 1/30/2008 @ 2:13 pm
Ron Paul is the only way the GOP can get my vote. The problem is they don’t seem to want it. I’ll vote for Ron as long as I can, but I’ll go Obama (even Hillary, while holding my nose) against any of the others.
Comment by miran — 1/30/2008 @ 2:14 pm
To “Fact Checker” #26
Why does saying Obama is left wing on economics mean that I believe Reagan and Bush did the right thing?
Comment by Edward — 1/30/2008 @ 2:20 pm
Ain’t gonna happen, its Ron Paul all the way, even if I have to write it in.
Comment by david — 1/30/2008 @ 2:23 pm
For me, Paul is the only option. Since our government is *ucked beyond belief, I don’t vote.
Comment by none — 1/30/2008 @ 2:24 pm
I’m “supporting” both of them until its time to vote. I’ve been giving them both money since last spring, a bit more to Paul than Obama, bc it was making more a difference. And then we’ll see which vote will have more impact when it comes time to make it.
I’m with you. Neither Paul nor Obama are perfect candidates for me, but I’m happy to say that I could vote FOR either candidate, rather than picking the less of several evils.
Check out http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/ When it comes to open government, both Obama and Paul are the only real deals. Searchable index of all gov’t documents, minimizing classified documents, and having live and archived video feeds of cabinet officer meetings.
http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/larrylessigon_obama has a link to Obama technology plan. He gets it! I’ve given up on privacy in this day and age. I was total tranparency for gov’t.
Anyway, I have a decision to make on voting day. Until then, my loyalties, money and support are split, and I’m ok w/ that.
Comment by Tim — 1/30/2008 @ 2:25 pm
I’ve made the jump. I’d be happy with either Paul or Obama in office, but now Obama has a more realistic chance.
First, it’s important to keep Clinton out of office, so I’m going to vote for Obama in the primary. (I do not want another 4 to 8 years of the Clinton-Bush “dynasty”.)
Second, the most important issue of this election is Liberty, government accountability and transparent government. Obama and Paul both support freedom (while perhaps differently reaching the same conclusion).
Third, I’ve never agreed with all of either candidate’s policies, but Obama’s support of network neutrality and immigration are closer to my beliefs than are Paul’s.
Fourth, (and the main reason that I noticed both Paul and Obama), they both opposed the war in Iraq.
Supporting Paul has helped to reveal alot about both the republican party and about media election coverage. He’s also promoted ideas about liberty and the federal reserve.
But it’s time to support Obama (and I hope that Obama takes a few cues from Paul.)
Comment by existentist — 1/30/2008 @ 2:31 pm
As an ardent Paul supporter, this thought was always in the back of my mind. After looking at all the candidates, Obama HAS to be my choice. He’s the only one that will actually end the war (I hope?), be transparent about the government (hopefully?), etc etc. EVERYONE on the republican side I disagree with.
I just hope it doesn’t come down to Clinton v. McCain. We’re ALL screwed if it does.
Comment by ixeos — 1/30/2008 @ 2:37 pm
Sure, vote for Obama if you want a socialist in the White House… Paul didn’t even try in Flordia… Please read up before you even consider Obama. Thanks
Comment by James — 1/30/2008 @ 2:44 pm
Obama is more of the same with a different veneer:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Zbigniew+Brzezinski+Obama+Globalism&btnG=Search
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I have also considered this. I was in favor of Obama before switching to Paul. Honestly, at this rate, it looks like it’s going to be a Clinton versus McCain race. Obama won’t run as a third party, his sponsorship has come from all the same corporations as every other establishment candidate. I truly believe that the focus of Paul’s power is not in his Libertarianism, but in the Populism that has followed suit in his grassroots efforts. When a man is sponsored by the people, and not the elite, that makes a world of difference. That said, Obama is young, and with his charisma he could easily turn away from the prototypical “Washington Insider” role that he’s already starting to develop.
Truly, I’m hoping for Paul/Kucinich, or maybe one day in my dreams, Obama/Paul, to run as a third party.
Comment by James — 1/30/2008 @ 3:02 pm
It amuses me that Ron Paul hasn’t sacrificed his principles for his entire term in congress often having to vote alone - one of the things that attracts people to him (as well as something that his supporters like to brag about) , and his “supporters” are feeble enough to jump ship when the going gets tough.
Very amusing.
Comment by Nerd Power — 1/30/2008 @ 3:08 pm
The thing that nobody seems to recognize is the problem isn’t with the President. “They” have done a wonderful job of keeping your eyes off the main problem. You want more constitutional government? PAY ATTENTION TO CONGRESS, VOTE FOR DIFFERENT CONGRESSMEN. The congressmen and women have gotten off easy, pandering to the idea that “it’s the President!” when in fact THEY have the power. The reason Bush is still in office? Congress likes the diversion, the appearance of propriety on the congressional side with a very visible bad-guy, a scape-goat. This mess is entirely congresses fault. Ron Paul for President? Whoopty doo. He won’t get anything done without congressional support. Just like Bush. Every power that has been subverted from Congress by the President can be taken back by a congress with some balls and/or cares.
Comment by twomonkeysayoyo — 1/30/2008 @ 3:19 pm
Ron Paul supporters need to stop dreaming. He will not win any election — just look at the polls! He might be a nice guy with good ideas and noble intentions but the voters aren’t listening. If he was a racehorse, the punters would avoid him because his form is lousy. It’s about time people started backing potential winners — and give up on those without a hope in hell. At the moment there are three, two you just don’t want under any circumstance and one who just might cut the mustard. Now is the time to put all your energies into his White House bid. Failure to do so will ensure your worst nightmare becomes real in November.
Comment by Jack — 1/30/2008 @ 3:20 pm
The answer is pretty simple: As soon as someone else gets the Repub nomination.
I actually face a question going THE OTHER WAY right now. With Kucinich out of the running, my reason for registering as a Dem has disappeared– now I wish I could actually vote for Ron Paul in my primary as a show of dissatisfaction with the Republicrat machine!
(…before casting a vote for Obama in Nov)
Comment by Sam Hicks — 1/30/2008 @ 3:29 pm
I think that we don’t switch to Obama in any case. Sure, he may not win. But so-called “electability” is not what determines our votes: we should stick by our principles. Anybody who would leave their principles in order to vote for somebody they think is going to win doesn’t deserve to vote. If they don’t stick with their principles, why are they even voting?
Comment by John — 1/30/2008 @ 3:33 pm
It’s easy to just say that he’s not gonna win or we should switch because “c’mon you’ve gotta be realistic”. I suggest that all Obama supporters change ship to Ron Paul. Why not? You have the power to do the unthinkable and what they call “unrealistic.”
What you’re forgetting is that Paul’s campaign runs on two engines, one is political and the other is Intellectual. He himself at many occasions has said that for him the intellectual engine is what drives him and thats the engine he wants to see never run out of steam. The political engine is as important but in the grand scheme of things it’s a very small part of a big “R[EVOL]UTION. Why do Paul’s supporters have Revolution as their slogan? Because it’s a sign of things to come.
That is why you would NEVER see Ron Paul making personal attacks or unfairly boasting his untainted congressional record. He never compares himself to other Presidential runners just to make them look fool, and if he wanted it is easy for him.
So remember Paul’s campaign is not just about winning this Presidential race (although it is increasingly becoming realistic), it’s about sowing the seeds for future generations so we can have a thousand more RP’s who have respect for the law and are personally respectable.
Btw, Obama voted for the Patriot Act, which for me tells a lot about Obama’s supporters.
(I’m a Canadian, if that matters)
Comment by Gerber — 1/30/2008 @ 3:58 pm
When do we, as Paul supporters, switch to Obama?
The short answer is: after Paul has been mathematically eliminated and Obama has not. That will not happen until one of the Republican candidates has amassed a majority of delegates to the Republican National Convention or Paul can no longer win the five states necessary to qualify to be nominated at the Convention per Rule 40(b).
The long answer is: Paul is only one man, just like the other candidates (except Hillary, who is a female dog). However, he is the progenitor of a movement that is a reaction to more than a century of movements in what we deem the wrong directions. It is a movement toward liberty. It is a return to the Constitution. It is back to basics, to relearning and reapplying the fundamentals that made our country great and that have been nearly forgotten. The man, Paul, has his shortcomings, but the message has none.
As you have seen through the tens of thousands of people who have voted for Ron Paul in the elapsed primary elections and caucuses, this message has an audience and a growing number of people willing to contribute to the cause in varying ways and a variety of extents, be it donating to a candidate for the first time ever or quitting a job and flying across the country to campaign. While Ron Paul may not be successful in this particular election, he has spawned a movement that may ultimately be successful in returning this country to its greatness.
Paul is a contrast to the other candidates because he represents a movement and not a personality cult. Believe you me, I personally like Obama. It will be great to not have a president that the rest of the world is ashamed of and ridicules endlessly for both his policies and being an idiot. He is a fantastic orator and an inspiring figure. However, when you get down to the ideology and policy, not to mention who is backing him behind the scenes, Obama will just be more of the same, only with a prettier facade. He speaks of change, but like the other candidates, that change will simply be a rotation of the tires.
There is nothing stopping you from switching from Paul to Obama. You are welcome to choose the lesser of two evils in this year’s election. However, I advise you to think not in terms of the man but the movement. Do you want to leave a positive movement that is just getting underway? Even if Paul does not win the Republican nomination, I intend to write him in for the general election to make a statement to the American public and to the kleptocrats in Washington that this movement is here to stay.
Comment by David Greenwood — 1/30/2008 @ 4:09 pm
You make an excellent point, especially considering that I believe there is a substantial chance that Ron Paul could make it into Obama’s administration in some valuable form. Obama has repeatedly stated that he will make room for Republicans in his administration, and what better choice than Paul, who represents both the areas where Democrats and Republicans agree the most and the areas where they disagree the most. It would be the perfect balance that Obama has been talking about.
Support Obama for President, support Paul for the cabinet.
Comment by Gabe — 1/30/2008 @ 4:15 pm
Never. The Democrats and Republicans offer no real difference. The two parties play on the petty fears of illegals, environment, guns, and abortion to make it seem like there’s a whit of substance between them, but they’re both steering the ship in the same direction.
Everyone thought that the Republicans would save them from the wimpy and spendy Democrats so we voted in Republicans to both houses of Congress and the Presidency and… nothing changed, so we gave the Democrats control of Congress and… nothing changed.
Ron Paul has no chance to win, but he’s earned our votes anyway and we have nothing to lose.
Comment by Mike Roberts — 1/30/2008 @ 4:38 pm
What the fuck are you all talking about? Aren’t you Paul supporters caving in early? Where is the George Washington’s spirit in you? Did George Washington cave in when he was getting the shit kicked out of him by the British? Did you know that he was so distraught; he was outmanned and couldn’t even pay his men? He was sobbing in his tent. You pseudo Paul supporters are caving in. I thought this was a REVOLUTION not a gathering of thumb suckers. Certainly, Obama is charismatic. He is anti war but takes money from special interest. Do you think this country will make a black man the President even though his mitochondrial DNA is from a white woman? The American Spirit has been lost. Revolution. Give me a break. Make some phone calls, canvas, become a precinct captain! You are all talk no action.
Comment by John Lim — 1/30/2008 @ 4:42 pm
Ron Paul supporters, you need to start thinking about the future of our country. Regardless of how many blimps you put in the air, Ron Paul will not get enough votes in November to become our next president. That was not completely evident four months ago, when I myself was caught up in the wonder that is Ron Paul, but it is now. The primaries DO NOT lie. Anyone who thinks that RP has a better chance of WINNING in our Lowest Common Denominator country is living in a fantasy world…
We have been sitting on our asses, plugged into the interweb for the last EIGHT years complaining about how bad things are… how unrepresented WE are… how our constitutional rights are constantly being flushed down the toilet.
What is going to change that? How can you secure the best possible outcome in November?
It is time to stop bitching and start thinking. Voting RP in the primaries and getting out the word for Tuesday is AWESOME because you’re raising awareness and letting politicians know that there are a good deal of Americans who still believe in the Constitution.
When the endorsement goes to McCain and RP runs as a third party, it’s time to jump ship. You’re not giving up or compromising your beliefs or values. You’re BEING SMART. Obama winning is going to be an uphill battle when it comes to the gun-toting war mongering Walmart generation… Every one of their votes counts as much as yours. If you vote for RP in that situation, you’re voting AGAINST Obama.
And if McCain FUCKING wins because of you ignorant FUCKS, I will get my own blimp and fly it around the country denouncing your idiotic decision.
Come on, throw it at me… But if you look at history, third parties have played spoilers SEVERAL times because people chose to their pride over plain logic.
DO NOT KID YOURSELF. In the end, either McCain or Obama (or Hillary) will be elected. Either you’ll be active in compromising and choosing the BEST option for our country or you’ll throw us to the dogs…
Your choice.
Comment by pete — 1/30/2008 @ 4:51 pm
Well, I may switch from supporting RP, but it won’t be to the Democratic ticket. I don’t support universal healthcare, bigger government or any of the Demo immigration plans.
And I like my 2nd amendment rights thank you very much. So, while the remaining GOP candidates are not even close to my ideals, I will support one of them just so I can attempt to stave off the universal healthcare nightmare and the revocation of my right to bear arms.
Comment by Jonathan S. — 1/30/2008 @ 4:52 pm
http://reddit.com/r/politics/info/673il/comments/
Comment by Rick — 1/30/2008 @ 5:28 pm
I am an Obama supporter, but I think those that support Ron Paul should vote for him still. I voted for Nader the last two elections and to this day I believe I made the right decision. I didn’t actually vote here in Florida because: 1. I didn’t register as a Democrat in time (or at all for that matter) 2. If I was registered as a Democrat it would not have mattered because Florida Dem vote aren’t counted do to our state acting like spoiled children who will do anything for attention.
Comment by Maxo — 1/30/2008 @ 5:34 pm
I think that it will be Obama/Kennedy, not Edwards.
Comment by Mark — 1/30/2008 @ 5:38 pm
When do we, as Paul supportersm Switch to Obama?
-Never?
Comment by Jeff — 1/30/2008 @ 5:40 pm
the good news guys is florida is a winner take all delegates state so it wouldnt have mattered if paul got secong or third.he knows this its part of his strategy. not to mention paul shoulda had first in loisiana so why doesnt someone do something to make sure all the provisional ballots get counted and keep supporting. obamas got enough support to beat hilary anyway.
Comment by kyle — 1/30/2008 @ 5:44 pm
If you truly share Ron Paul’s values then you can not switch to Obama. They are ideologically different candidates. By switching to a candidate that doesn’t share your views you are simply perpetuating the failure of the two party system and allowing the thought that the lesser of two evils is the best choice when your own candidate of choice appears to be losing ground.
Comment by ks — 1/30/2008 @ 5:47 pm
UMM… Daniel, were you coerced into posting this? To date, there are still over 1000 delegates to be disbursed. And, so far, the Primaries have been concentrated on the East Coast, and small Midwest states, in total, account for less than 10% of the nation. It takes time to overcome media bias, and get the message out to those who would otherwise not hear it. Principals, my friend, and steadfast conviction, should be your compass. Do you really want to look back at your life and question, “Did I do what was right, or did I do what was easiest?”. Ron Paul supporters are a new breed of diversity, and this is what he is espousing to us; We need to take the direction of our futures into our own hands. Choosing anyone over your own principals, is exactly what the machine wants you to do. It shows them the people really are sheep ready for slaughter. Hold fast. Use this momentary lapse of reason to energize you. Be a better citizen, and vote your heart. I know you will. Ron Paul will not alienate us, we have to choose to be alienated on our own.
Comment by Rich In Scottsdale — 1/30/2008 @ 6:12 pm
now is that time Obama 08
Comment by daniel — 1/30/2008 @ 6:36 pm
Ron Paul has my vote in the primary. Support him until all of the delegates’ votes have been counted.
This isn’t just about trying to elect Ron Paul in ‘08. It is about changing this country for the better. Less government. Less government control. Protection of our liberties. We must continue to support him to keep the conversation going: why preemptive war is bad, why borrowing money from China is bad, why we should protect individual rights…
If I have to, I will vote for Obama in Nov. But, I will write my own name in if it comes down to Clinton and McCain.
Comment by ABTechie — 1/30/2008 @ 6:55 pm
Every empire falls, it’s now just a matter of timing of those with military power to overtake us. We are the weakest we have ever been. We won’t be destroyed, we owe too much. But, we will be brought down and soon. I hope they are nice….
Comment by Anonymous — 1/30/2008 @ 7:19 pm
How come nobody mentions Mike Gravel? He is also against the war and for the constitution. Thanks to him only, we don’t have a draft today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o
Comment by Anonymous — 1/30/2008 @ 7:52 pm
It really doesn’t matter who you vote for in the long run. They will all take your money to bankrupt this country — the question is only how they will do it. Republicans will throw your money at war and education, the Democrats will throw it at welfare and environmentalism. People will continue to complain about how shitty things are and in four more years will forget all the stupid promises that were made this time around and believe them all over again, while beating their drums and repeating the mantra “change… change… change…”.
There is absolutely no reason that Ron Paul should be loosing. He is on a major platform, has raised enormous amounts of money, has gotten face time (maybe not as much as other candidates, but still) on major media programs, has been a Congressman for thirty years, etc. I can only conclude that people who do not vote for him either 1) don’t understand what liberty is really about, or 2) hate liberty and would rather be ruled by masters who promise gruel at the end of the day, because that is all we will end up on our present course, if we are so lucky.
Ayn Rand once said, and I’m paraphrasing, that living for yourself is the hardest thing you can do. And the reason it’s so hard is because you have to face the scary reality that you are responsible for your life — that your success and failures are your own — that you can’t plunder other people for your sustenance or punish them for your offenses by voting leaders into office to do it for you.
This election is ultimately about people who are scared to be responsible for their own education, their own relationships, their own wealth or poverty, their own safety, their own health, their own bodies, their own thoughts, and their own happiness or disappointment with life.
In other words, politically, Americans have Stockholm Syndrome.
Comment by ncloud — 1/30/2008 @ 7:56 pm
How can one change his or her conscience? Ron Paul is the current embodiment of our ideals as free men in a fight against tyranny and oppression. There is no other candidate that supports that. There is no other candidate that seeks to abolish the enslavement of the American people by the Federal Reserve and remove us from the horrific consequences imposed upon our once great nation by the war mongering neocons and their CIA.
If we lose the battle for the Republican nomination, we fight again as independants. If we lose that, we should strive on for our ideals at the State level. Look at Texas and their struggle against the NAFTA superhighway, or Montana fighting Real ID. We can make a difference and we should never compromise.
The neocons will never give up and neither should we. I will only cast one vote this year for a new president and that vote is for my principles. If no candidate stands for that, then there is no reason to vote because it won’t matter.
Comment by K. Johnson — 1/30/2008 @ 8:20 pm
January 30, 2008
We received this message this morning from a Ron Paul supporter in Florida. Because it is so important, we are sharing it with you, too.
Help us by signing up today to be a precinct leader in your area. If you really want to make Ron Paul our next president, sign up and begin canvassing right away. You’re counting on Ron Paul to do his part, and he’s counting on you to do yours.
This is work that any dedicated supporter can do, and, along with donating, is the most important thing you can do to ensure a Ron Paul victory.
Sign up yourself, and then encourage all your friends to sign up here: https://voters.ronpaul2008.com.
Daniel McCarthy Internet Communications Coordinator Ron Paul 2008
Comment by John Lim — 1/30/2008 @ 9:27 pm
January 28, 2008
When I started this campaign more than a year ago, I was a somewhat reluctant candidate. I knew our message of freedom, peace, and prosperity was the right one for our country, but frankly, I didn’t know how many people today would have ears to hear it.
Well, did I learn a lesson! Millions of Americans understand what ails our country, and what is needed to fix it. So, with you at my side, I am in this effort to win. Not only by building the ideas of liberty, but by getting the nomination. Our opponents would call that nuts — you know, the advocates of more inflation, more spending, more taxes, more war. But let me explain why they are, as usual, all wet.
For one thing, for the first time since 1952, we are headed towards a brokered convention. Instead of a coronation of one of the establishment candidates, the delegates, influenced by the people, will decide. And I am afraid that this will take place in a time of heightened economic crisis. That means even more Americans will be ready to hear our message. But it also means I am really going to need your help.
One would never know this from the mainstream media, but we’ve only had a few primaries and caucuses, and even after the extremely important date of February 5th, we will still have more than half to go. And the Republican nominee will not be decided by the popular vote among the “leading candidates” in a few states also handpicked by the media. The nominee will be decided by the delegates. So let me tell you a little about our “under-the-radar” strategy to get those delegates.
On “Super Tuesday,” February 5th, there will be 22 primaries and caucuses. I have a hunch that we’re going to do very well. But, of course, the media and the rest of the establishment refuse to recognize that. It’s the attitude of the small child who covers his eyes to make something scary go away. But we are not going away.
While the media focus on the couple of states they claim are important, we’re competing everywhere. And the reason that we’re able to do that is because of your grassroots support. You all are an asset that no other campaign has: donors, and activists who want no special deals from the government, just the Constitution.
We’re competing very strongly in all the caucus states, and in all other states where delegates are up for grabs. And we’re going to keep picking up delegates. Our strategy’s already working.
And we’re committed to winning states. I have little doubt that if we can double our efforts in this coming week, we’re going to grab many delegates from other candidates. Then we’ll start getting ready for the biggest moment of all - the convention in September.
The path to the convention is twisty, however. When we were in Iowa, we got 10% of the vote. But no delegates were awarded that night. That’s because voters didn’t directly choose national convention delegates; they selected the county and state delegates who will make that decision. And if another candidate like Mike Huckabee is no longer in the race at the time of the state convention in June, his delegates are free to support whomever they want. If we work extra hard, we can convert them into delegates for our campaign!
A similar thing happened in Nevada. We won 14% of the straw poll vote that the media reported on, but what they didn’t tell you was that we may have gotten up to a third of Nevada’s delegates to their county conventions! I always laughed when I heard some people say Nevada didn’t matter. Nevada chooses more delegates to the national convention than South Carolina.
So, while the media will focus on the results from Florida, and probably take down the campaign of my friend Rudy in the process, those results are less important to you and me. Let them fight in Florida while we bring our message to Americans in other areas, like the economically hard-hit state of Maine.
We want to win as many delegates to the Republican National Convention as possible, even if other campaigns don’t see some areas of the country as “important. But in this work, I need your help. Help me get many, many delegates to this historic convention, by these three methods.
Donate. Your generous contributions are essential if we’re going to keep going until September. We need, frankly $5 million by February 5 to run more TV and radio ads in the Super Tuesday states. Your help means everything: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.
Canvass. You can help us identify those who support our message in your precinct. You can help us to convert others, too. After all, your neighbors pay attention to you. I am going to visit as much of the country as I can, but I need you as my partner in your area: https://voters.ronpaul2008.com.
ASK others to sign-up on our website. I meet so many people on the campaign trail who don’t even receive my letters! I’ve told my campaign to make communication with you, the engine of all this, much better. But if people don’t sign up for my e-mails, that won’t happen. If you could just get one extra person to sign-up, that would be great. More would be tremendous.
Help me by forwarding this e-mail to every other Ron Paul supporter you know, and urging them to join our efforts! https://www.ronpaul2008.com/join.
We’ve come so far, but now the fun is really starting! I have a feeling the mainstream media will move from ignoring us to attacking us. But that will be a sign of our success. Join me as we continue this great movement into year two, and to a hot convention in Minneapolis-Saint Paul. We can do it!
Sincerely,
Ron
Comment by John Lim — 1/30/2008 @ 9:33 pm
It’s important to keep supporting Dr. Paul at least through the end of the Republican primary, not because he has a chance of winning (that’s highly unlikely), but because the more delegates he gets at the convention, the more his ideas will be integrated into the Republican platform.
Third parties have huge influence, but not because they can be elected (actually, that’s probably a good thing, as it tends to drive 2 main parties towards mainstream central positions). They have influence because the only leverage available to mainstream candidates is in going after the uncommitted voters. Inveterate Demo/Repub voters require too much effort to realistically be drawn one way or another in one particular race (that requires several terms of stupidity).
I want to see the other candidates fight over Ron’s voters. If nothing else, it would be an entertaining circus.
Comment by Ray — 1/30/2008 @ 10:02 pm
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul.
Comment by seeker135 — 1/30/2008 @ 10:04 pm
i have been thinking about this for two weeks now, and ive pretty much decided to vote for obama in the primary, whether its voter fraud, or just uneducated sheep, it does not appear people have accepted RP’s message. Therefore, obama is the logical conclusion for an anti-war vote. (Gravel-noted, but aint gonna happen) It would be a grave mistake for this country to end up with McCain or Hillary. So im thinking Obama, he has a chance. Please boycott fox,abc,nbc, just watch PBS!, its all you need.
Comment by omelet — 1/30/2008 @ 11:13 pm
I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he wins the primary or not. If he drops out, then I will vote for a third party, most likely libertarian.
I refuse to vote for Hilary or Obama, because neither offer real change.
Comment by Patrick — 1/31/2008 @ 12:10 am
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I’m with Rory in line 6. NEVER!
Comment by Gil — 1/31/2008 @ 12:33 am
i gave $60. to paul, even marched on new year’s eve, but there’s a point when you need reality. Florida had the blimp, and young ppl did not care, old ppl went out and voted for the old war-monger, or the (non lipstick lesbian) Bitch. Lets wake up. PPL only care about their football, jesus, world of warcraft, they are not ppl who read blogs, or have a brain, or understand deficit spending, or monetary policy. The masses will have to be on day two of starvation from flouridated water before the ideas of Ron Paul actually sink into their heads.
So figure it out fellow Paulians, it’s either Obama, or some load of crap that will destroy us all.
Comment by omelet — 1/31/2008 @ 1:01 am
I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, and I never have been. I’m cautious regarding anyone who claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. The United States is too big, and the Constitution too old, to be governed by anyone who won’t think outside the box. I admire Dr. Paul’s dedication to freedom and anti-war stance, and I certainly think that we could do without the Federal Reserve and the CIA. The problem with Dr. Paul is simply that he would abolish too many programs and agencies that actually work and would work better with a little tweaking. Ron Paul would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. One thing that I don’t understand is that so many Ron Paul supporters would vote for any candidate from one of the two major parties once Dr. Paul’s candidacy is officially non-viable. If you really believe in what Ron Paul stands for, you have a moral obligation to vote for a candidate that matches your views entirely, whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not. A protest vote is not a wasted vote. I’m voting Green this year because of their desire to abolish the military-industrial complex and end the failed war on drugs. Will a Green Party candidate be our next president? Of course not! But I’m not going to allow my vote to support a two-party system in which the two parties are virtually indistinguishable. I think that Ron Paul’s candidacy is about REAL choice. Don’t make a phony choice just because the real one is gone. Vote third party.
Comment by C. Damian — 1/31/2008 @ 2:38 am
I never really did understand why liberals gravitated to a libertarian like Ron Paul. Now, the anti-war policy I understand, but he’s for privatized health care, privatized education, the free market. He’d abolish the Board of Education, lift business restrictions, all things liberals don’t agree with. I never understood why liberals liked him in the first place, let alone what they’d do now.
It seems to me that those who don’t actually believe in Liberty will fall back and support who they think will win. It’s those who will choose to stick with Ron Paul even though he never had a chance at the nomination who will define themselves as true Americans.
One should never vote for the candidate they think will win, they should vote for the one who they agree with. True Paul supporters will remain with him until the end, whenever that is. They will not let down their principles. Those who do should not have supoprted him in the first place.
Comment by Jason — 1/31/2008 @ 2:43 am
im throwing my hands up here, ppl just dont understand the media, political process, aarrgh. All these ppl saying, “ron paul speaks truth” ok good but RP will not get the nomination, Thus said, all you can hope for is a cabinet position. Will McCain appoint RP? you bet your dirty socks he wont. GET REAL rp ppl, vote Obama, the lesser of 4 evils. It is as south park said -turd sandwich or giant doushe. And obama is the SMALL doushe. dont let mccain or hillary win. Its called Frontloading, learn about it. jesus wake the fuck up.
Comment by omelet — 1/31/2008 @ 3:05 am
I boo you. I will never vote for a person who I don’t agree with just to keep another person I don’t agree with out of office. The idea that such behavior is acceptable has permeated in the collective minds of Americans discontent with the current system for many years. I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he makes the Republican nomination or not, I will gladly write him in. Some may call this a ‘wasted’ vote, but I must insist that the real wasted vote is the vote that we make for someone we do not believe in, simply out of fear.
Comment by Brian — 1/31/2008 @ 3:41 am
If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will revert back to what I’ve been doing my whole life: voting for a party other than Democrat or Republican. I will then sit back and watch the continued march toward fascism and economic destruction that has been the norm for not just the current administration (although it must be said that it has accelerated the process in an unprecedented manner), but each administration before this one, be it Democrat or Republican. I certainly see nothing in Obama’s rhetoric that would reverse the trend.
Comment by Paul — 1/31/2008 @ 3:54 am
I will support Ron Paul tooth and nail until the Republican convention. I do this out of principle, and as someone mentioned above–if I gave up, it would be giving up on a movement, not just a candidate. If the GOP nominates McCain, and they probably will, I will vote for Obama.
I love Obama. But I’ll be honest–I love the man, not the platform. I disagree strongly on many of his issues. He’s wrong on some and simply not strong enough on others. You make take issue with me voting for a man, not a platform. After all, with Paul, I’m supporting a platform, not a man.
But today, there are few good men. The political field is crowded with corrupt, flip-flopping, status-quo mother fuckers. Damn near every last one of them. They have bad policy, but they also have bad character.
With Obama, I see a good man. I see good character. With Obama, I see a future for America that may not have my policies, but it will be open to my policies. With Obama, I see a Ron Paul Revolution continuing to grow, I see a battle of philosophy, instead of character assassination.
This I support. Obama fans, I cannot, and will not, dessert Ron Paul. But I have this to say: fight! Fight hard. Fight with everything you got. Because you MUST be Hillary. You must get Obama the nomination.
When the day of the nomination comes, I will transfer my support of the Revolution to a candidate that can keep it alive.
Comment by John Galt — 1/31/2008 @ 6:38 am
I would rather not vote than vote for a candidate that the media promotes. Ron Paul is the only active candidate who is important in this campaign. I will be promoting him and his campaign to the election day and voting for him.
After the election, if he wins because of a fair vote, I will be amazed. If by default from massive fraud, okay. If he does not win we will continue as a major political fundraising and activism force.
Your hippies have come back.
Comment by god — 1/31/2008 @ 7:27 am
I will still write in Ron Paul for president. just because he may not get the nomination doesn’t mean I can’t still vote for him.
Comment by Dennis — 1/31/2008 @ 7:46 am
I’d support Obama if he had a discernible agenda. The man has NO experience compared to Ron Paul, and thus has to surround himself with advisors who tell him how to do his job. He’s obviously a very eloquent speaker and presence onstage, but so are actors. All I see is a movie character audition for the role of president. He spent the first 10 min of his keynote address at the DNC talking about his life and how far he made it and how unlikely a candidate he was. His rhetoric is vague and to anyone who cares about REAL change from a candidate who knows what’s going on, he is far too inexperienced. When I see Obama go toe to toe in a debate with Ron Paul and keep up, I might reconsider.
Comment by Elliot — 1/31/2008 @ 4:38 pm
Ron Paul and Barack Obama are on the opposite sides of the fence. Mr. Paul supports and defends our Constitution. Mr. Obama ignores our Constitution and is a socalist. Why would anyone switch from Ron Paul to Barack Obama?
Comment by Theresa Jones — 2/1/2008 @ 7:02 pm
Why is it we don’t learn from our mistakes? We don’t have to look to far back to remember the effect Ralph Nader had on the outcome of the 2004 election. Those holding on to their support for Nader even when it was clear he had no chance of winning, literally handed the election to Bush. This country can’t afford to make this same mistake again!!!!
Comment by Gary Moore — 2/4/2008 @ 6:39 pm
I will not vote for Obama… and I will certainly not vote for Romney or McCain.
If those are my choices, then I will simply vote for the Lib candidate… I am in Texas and it will be red anyway. Anything that we can do to NOT lend validation to the existing primary parties and to illustrate out disillusionment is a good thing… even is some see it as a ‘wasted’ vote.
Think of it as a vote for a future election.
Comment by Burnviktm — 2/4/2008 @ 8:43 pm
Write Dr. Paul in anyway… NEVER give up… Revolution…
Good Luck to all…
Comment by Gil — 2/5/2008 @ 4:34 am
I’m not sure if this will be seen by anyone since this thread is a bit old, but I find it interesting that in the following collection of tech-related questions, Obama and Paul agree on their answers to all but one question.
http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5
Comment by Carl M — 2/5/2008 @ 2:03 pm
OK, that full link didn’t paste correctly. Maybe with quotes? Anyway, it’s interesting too that they were the only two that answered all of the questions.
“http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5″
Comment by Carl M — 2/5/2008 @ 2:05 pm
Arrrgh .. it’s taking an underscore as instructions to italicize. The link is on this page (for now):
feed://www.news.com/
Title: In ‘08 presidential race, who’s the most tech-friendly?
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